Comments on: Zend Framework Model – Research into Possible Domain Model Solutions http://www.rvdavid.net/zend-framework-model/ A periodical blog of experiences from the angle of an autodidactic, paranoid and narcissistic web developer... Thu, 04 Mar 2010 21:21:10 +1100 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Matt http://www.rvdavid.net/zend-framework-model/#comment-1260 Matt Mon, 01 Feb 2010 15:09:51 +0000 http://blog.rvdavid.net/?p=159#comment-1260 You should check out Doctrine 2.0. It's radically different from earlier versions of Doctrine (which I also stayed away from) and supports true domain modeling. You should check out Doctrine 2.0. It’s radically different from earlier versions of Doctrine (which I also stayed away from) and supports true domain modeling.

]]> By: My Zend Framework Model Layer: Part Service, Part ORM » rvdavid: A Web Developer's Blog http://www.rvdavid.net/zend-framework-model/#comment-922 My Zend Framework Model Layer: Part Service, Part ORM » rvdavid: A Web Developer's Blog Tue, 19 Jan 2010 17:38:33 +0000 http://blog.rvdavid.net/?p=159#comment-922 [...] made some progress to get this issue licked. In the past, I’ve agonised over this issue and blogged about my progress. Some weeks or days later I tried to probe the community on what they would do, Now I think [...] [...] made some progress to get this issue licked. In the past, I’ve agonised over this issue and blogged about my progress. Some weeks or days later I tried to probe the community on what they would do, Now I think [...]

]]> By: Brandon http://www.rvdavid.net/zend-framework-model/#comment-630 Brandon Tue, 13 Oct 2009 16:16:13 +0000 http://blog.rvdavid.net/?p=159#comment-630 I never actually officially decided 'against' Zend_Db. I find it to be a competent ORM solution, I simply found Doctrine to offer some extra features I wanted that Zend_Db did not (migrations for example). Additionally I found the support for complex joins while maintaining the Object abstraction was a bit more mature in Doctrine. I used Zend_Db religiously until I switched to Doctrine so I have nothing but good things to say about it. That being said, I think you nailed it right on the head by determining your success based on how to effortless it is to switch ORMs without needing to modify your models. I never actually officially decided ‘against’ Zend_Db. I find it to be a competent ORM solution, I simply found Doctrine to offer some extra features I wanted that Zend_Db did not (migrations for example). Additionally I found the support for complex joins while maintaining the Object abstraction was a bit more mature in Doctrine. I used Zend_Db religiously until I switched to Doctrine so I have nothing but good things to say about it. That being said, I think you nailed it right on the head by determining your success based on how to effortless it is to switch ORMs without needing to modify your models.

]]> By: rvdavid http://www.rvdavid.net/zend-framework-model/#comment-624 rvdavid Wed, 30 Sep 2009 16:47:10 +0000 http://blog.rvdavid.net/?p=159#comment-624 Hey there, Thank you for your feedback - basically, I've not looked at Doctrine just yet because I'm still a little raw with how it all fits in with everything. I'll be using Zend_Db* while I try and master the concept of Domain Model programming, since it's what I know. Nothing like grasping the ins and outs of an ORM library while at the same time being on the bring of making a breakthrough in understanding Domain Model Programming. Thank you for the recommendation regarding Doctrine BTW - I'm sure it's great, heard nothing but great things about Doctrine, "defacto ORM for php projects" etc. This will actually be a good metric for success, if I can build and replace Zend Db with Doctrine, then I'll know I'm on the right path. How about you? any reason why you've decided against Zend DB*? Hey there,

Thank you for your feedback – basically, I’ve not looked at Doctrine just yet because I’m still a little raw with how it all fits in with everything. I’ll be using Zend_Db* while I try and master the concept of Domain Model programming, since it’s what I know. Nothing like grasping the ins and outs of an ORM library while at the same time being on the bring of making a breakthrough in understanding Domain Model Programming.

Thank you for the recommendation regarding Doctrine BTW – I’m sure it’s great, heard nothing but great things about Doctrine, “defacto ORM for php projects” etc. This will actually be a good metric for success, if I can build and replace Zend Db with Doctrine, then I’ll know I’m on the right path.

How about you? any reason why you’ve decided against Zend DB*?

]]> By: Brandon http://www.rvdavid.net/zend-framework-model/#comment-623 Brandon Wed, 30 Sep 2009 16:25:47 +0000 http://blog.rvdavid.net/?p=159#comment-623 Great post. I sifted through all the same resources in an effort to find the same holy grail last year. I've found a pretty good balance and I should probably update my article with my latest best practices. I respect your choice to stick with Zend_Db but I'm curious to know how closely you've looked at Doctrine. I started with Zend_Db and I found Doctrine to be considerably more mature and feature rich and I've used Zend_Db in all of my projects up until my latest ones. I mean migrations are alone enough to sell it. Either way, the great thing about domain model programming is that it doesn't matter which one you go with and if you end up not liking one, its super easy to switch out the gateway logic. Happy refactoring! Great post. I sifted through all the same resources in an effort to find the same holy grail last year. I’ve found a pretty good balance and I should probably update my article with my latest best practices. I respect your choice to stick with Zend_Db but I’m curious to know how closely you’ve looked at Doctrine. I started with Zend_Db and I found Doctrine to be considerably more mature and feature rich and I’ve used Zend_Db in all of my projects up until my latest ones. I mean migrations are alone enough to sell it. Either way, the great thing about domain model programming is that it doesn’t matter which one you go with and if you end up not liking one, its super easy to switch out the gateway logic. Happy refactoring!

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